Sex work, feminism & anarchism – notes on the debate

Over the weekend Justice Minister Alan Shatter published a document outlining four possible positions that state may take with regards to sex work which run all the way from complete criminalization to decriminalization. Both feminists and anarchists are quite divided on the question of sex work, the publication of the report at the weekend has pushed me to blog these notes which started as comments on a discussion on Facebook a few weeks back. What follows is rather incomplete and at times incoherent – really just notes I may return to in the future then a particularly strong argument for decriminalization although its clear that is the position I lean towards.

Over the weekend Justice Minister Alan Shatter published a document outlining four possible positions that state may take with regards to sex work which run all the way from complete criminalization to decriminalization. Both feminists and anarchists are quite divided on the question of sex work, the publication of the report at the weekend has pushed me to blog these notes which started as comments on a discussion on Facebook a few weeks back. What follows is rather incomplete and at times incoherent – really just notes I may return to in the future then a particularly strong argument for decriminalization although its clear that is the position I lean towards.

In terms of the debate between the two positions on sex work a lot of value seems to be placed on anecdotal evidence – perhaps in part because the fight is so much about legislation and thus getting useful material into the media to influence opinion. This can be hard to argue against beyond pointing out that such anecdotes are a legitimate but individual perspective based on a set of experiences which may be common but are not universal. We can say that because for every story on one side you’ll find other pieces making the opposite case on the other. Unless you are inclined to write off everything which has another perspective as either lying or delusional this means the conversation needs to be a whole lot less sweeping.

A problem with the debate in general is that both sides tend to try and treat anecdotal personal experience as universal while accusing the other side of doing the same. This may not simply be bad faith but also a reflection of the very different perspectives and expectations people have about sex in general.  The same intensity is found around feminist debates around BDSM where no exchange of money is involved.  I recently sat through one informal exchange of views on the topic where the statement ‘no women would enjoy..’ was answered with an obviously unexpected ‘well actually I think I’d be quite turned on by ..".

In Ireland feminists have been going though one of those intense arguments about the nature of sex work at the moment with rival ‘turn off the red/blue light’ campaigns arguing for and against the criminalization of sex worker clients & workplaces (brothels). Some of this has been pretty heated. The Irish Feminist Network had a conference a few weekends back which one participant described to me as ‘being a load of older academic feminists lecturing us on sex work and shutting down any opposing point of view.’ What has struck me about the debate is the lack of tolerance for the opposing point of view, the IFN weekend event wasn’t the first I heard described in such terms.

I am wary of attempts to shut down one or the other side of that debate as illegitimate and the corresponding suggestion that there is only one feminist / progressive viewpoint on the question. This is very clearly not the case as I’ve known many feminists & anarchists (proanti, google for more)  who hold radically different perspectives including quite a few who worked or are working in the sex industry. I’d actually be somewhere in the shades of gray between the ‘turn off the red / blue‘ light debate as while I think sex work is indeed ‘just’ another form of work I also think not all forms of work are anything like equal. Even in terms of the catch all term ‘sex work’ there is a huge gap between staffing a sex-line and working on the streets – I use the rather awkward term prostitute in a good chunk of the rest of the discussion as I don’t think it makes sense to erase this distinction in all discussions around the issue.  If a friend told me they were going to become a prostitute / soldier / medical guinea pig I’d almost certainly try and tell them why I thought that was a bad idea which I probably wouldn’t if they were telling me they were getting a job in Starbucks or staffing a sex-line.

With most jobs it’s the illusion that we have a choice which distinguishes wage labour under capitalism from serfdom or slavery. Supposedly we make a free choice to sell out labour to a corporation, yet even in Ireland which has a reasonable social welfare system is that really a choice. For most of us choosing not to work places enormous limits on what we can do with out lives. And a large segment of the world’s population lives in places where being unable to find work can result in starvation and death. In that context all workers involves coercion through our economic circumstances but its not immediately visible, in particular when you talk about doing a particular job rather than working in general .

What makes sex work (and the military) different is that the underlying coercion and dangers involved in the work are very much more visible than for someone working in Starbucks. This is a key point of the Turn off the Red Light anti sex-work campaign, or as they put it "Very few women choose to willingly engage in prostitution. Most who are involved have had very few real choices." The counter argument to this is that, leaving aside the economic coercion that is found with every job, that the additional coercion is a product of illegality. There is some considerable truth to that, in particular when you also figure in the role migration controls play in making migrants dependent on gangsters. Again this dependency is also found in other areas of work – the Irish state’s policy of trying many types of migrant work visa’s to a job with a particular employed leaves those worker also at the mercy of that employer. In a sense the sex work debate comes down to whether you consider there to be something worse about a job that requires you to allow others to physically access your body in the manner of a prostitute (or medical guinea pig).

I’d this conversation a while back with a very sex work positive friend who was inclined to recognize no distinction in the awfulness of work. I asked her what prostitution would look like in a communist society (i.e. one where there was no money). That’s not such a hard question to ask about teaching or medical care but I think when you ask it in relation to prostitution the extra pressures of economic compulsion come into focus in a clearer way. Without the economic pressures would there be anything that even vaguely resembled prostitution as it is today or like prisons or the police would whatever elements of those roles that existed in a free society be so different as to make our old terms for them useless. Human sexuality if very varied and complex and there is a clear danger of making assumptions about how things might work in the future based around assumptions of what is normal or acceptable now.

The soldier / prostitute pairing I’ve used a few times here comes from a ‘what is anarchism’ talk I did a while back where I was explaining how unnatural class society was – its only been around for maybe 5% of human history. From that "The sort of society we think of today as the product of inevitable ‘human nature’ is in fact the product of thousands of years of highly organized warfare and brutality. The two oldest careers are considered to be those of the solider and the prostitute, the one based on murdering to enforce difference of wealth and power, both based on the requirement to sell your body in order to survive. "

I’m nothing like properly up on theoretical analysis around this but at least in that context the emergence of class society is the emergence of patriarchy and vice versa. Class, patriarchy, the solider and the prostitute all seem to have emerged at the same pre-historical moment and with all four in a relationship which requires/creates the existence of each of the others. I read Debt The First 5000 Years recently and one related thing I took from that in regards to the sex work discussion is the relationship between the solider and the existence of currency, something that is also almost a requirement for prostitution in the street walker / brothel sense. For a lot of history people traded on credit rather than through constantly exchanging some form of currency. Currency tended to be required for times of war to support armies and to in turn be created through warfare and the seizure of temple treasures etc to manufacture coinage.

I think there is a general failure to recognize that work in general covers a wide spectrum from the ‘its a drag but it pays the bills’ to the truly awful. Again the soldier (a role even more historically gendered then the prostitute) is another job that involves giving your body to others in return for cash and taking risks and doing things that many would find distasteful as part of that work. The same can be said for medical guinea pigs but this is also a large swathe of the true reality of work for many on the planet today. Kids recycling electronics in Africa, co-op miners in Bolivia, bonded workers in India, drug mules and street soldiers in Central America are all modern realities of work that offer as little real choice (and in some cases less) than prostitution. Many shade over into and are found alongside prostitution and the informal armies of gangsters.

The abolition of any of these forms of work is really the question of the abolition of the forces that create such work. Which brings us full circle to the invention of class, patriarchy, the solider and the prostitute at the start of what we consider to be civilization. A relationship so old that it seems certain the abolition of any one requires the abolition of all four. With all forms of wage work the force that creates the need to work is poverty, the abolition of that work can only become a reality through the abolition of poverty. I generally don’t like ‘One solution, revolution’ answers to these sort of questions, can anything useful be said in the short term.

I don’t see a positive outcome from short terms measures of criminalization. This seems a broadly similar strategy as the ‘war on drugs’ with the same problems and indeed many of the same arguments made. On the one hand its a war that has no end because you can no more defeat the demand for sex than that for drugs. On the other by making the transactions involved illegal you drive sex workers into dark corners where they are subject to much greater dangers with fewer avenues of escape. This remains true even if you only target the clients of sex workers as in order to find work sex workers will have to then go where their clients can be less visible. As as with the drug war increasing the level of illegality well increase the tendency of those making a living from the trade to be violent gangsters.

In terms of a short term program I’d suggest the following points for discussion
– laws that make it easy to trap migrant women should be abolished – chief amongst those are laws that allow such women to be deported if they are discovered / reported / seek help.
– targeting clients can be made to sound progressive but is counter productive for the reasons explained above and even the progressive spin to it makes a lot of assumptions about what ‘normal’ or ‘healthy’ sexuality is about.
– rape & physical assault are illegal. The legal weakness that needs to be tackled is in the investigation and prosecution of these offences. This weakness is by no means restricted to sex work.
– alongside migrant status poverty is the major element that coerces people into sex work, no one should be forced into any type of work simply to get by – everyone should be able to access some sort of basic income
– sex workers should be able to openly organize into unions to regulate their own workplaces and expose corrupt and criminal employers – as with all other areas of work workers self organisation is the most effective way of ensuring abuse is brought into the open

As I say at the start this is incomplete and at times incoherent even for one of my blog posts, to the point where I am somewhat uncomfortable hitting publish.  Ruthless critiicism or development of anything suggested here in the comments section below is very welcome.

(Late addition: Just after posted this I remembered this interview I recorded with Christa, an anarchist, anti-capitalist & sex worker who I stayed with in Olympia during my US speaking tour in 2008.  Much of the interview concerns general local activism but we talk about sex work from 10 minutes on)

12 replies on “Sex work, feminism & anarchism – notes on the debate”

Hi Andrew,
I think that part

Hi Andrew,

I think that part of the issue has to do with the fact that debauchery is so rooted in capitalist societies that the mere consumption of sex (paying for it) is made to look as something natural. On this side of the world (Buenos Aires) you have many women who sell themselves to the local tv pimps for some of the filth and glory of showbiz – and they even brag about it.

So among those forced to work as prostitutes and those who have no other choice, you have those women who seem to enjoy flirting with the high society for money, or the middle strata as well, like the so-called escorts.

Another important question here is that they are not short of clients. There is always someone willing to pay (for fun, for something to do, for infidelity, for pleasure, etc, etc). So, would prostitution be able to survive without clients?

It’s a business, and as in every capitalist business coercion and profit are part of the game. I agree with the fact that a union could very well serve the best interests of sex workers, having something to hold on to and defend their rights. But at the same time, what do you do with those women who confuse freedom with debauchery, the right to live independently with a savage individualism, and the freedom of being with the ‘freedom’ of money.

So, either you abolish it as a whole or you accept it and deal with it in the most appropriate way which favors the interests of those involved – the very sex workers themselves. Which is not an easy task either.

Anyways, just a thought.

Luigi, from Buenos Aires.-

Gonna write something long
Gonna write something long about this issue myself I think.

But one immediate criticism is that you pretty much sidestep the subjective aspects of sex work. As in, how is the experience of sex work different from alienated labour generally? I think the difference is that most work (including being a soldier) doesn’t invade you in the same way. The boss might treat you like shit and control every movement and action while you’re at work, but your body remains inviolable. The reason we treat rape as a separate category from mere assault is that no other kind of assault is capable of violating a person in the same way – being entered without one’s consent physically, emotionally, psychologically. While I agree that there is no universal experience, I think we can say that in a lot of cases, to varying degrees, the experience of prostitution is one of non-consenual sexual intimacy, in other words, sexual assault or rape.

I think a lot of the left takes a very reductive position on this, arguing that objectively sex work is not hugely different from other forms of work, and therefore we approach it in much the same way: unionisation, collective struggle etc., which is a position that dismisses the subjective.

 I threw in the medical

 I threw in the medical guinea pig as well as the soilder because that clearly is a form of work in which your body is not inviolable.  But the soldier is certainly another job in which ‘your body is not inviolable.’  Getting your legs blown off, or your face shot away or watching that happen to your friends is clearly a deeply traumatic experience.  I do agree this is very different from working in Starbucks but I disagree that the levels of risk / trauma in sex work are beyond those of "kids recycling electronics in Africa, co-op miners in Bolivia, bonded workers in India, drug mules and street soldiers in Central America."  Consider the drug wars in Mexico at the moment where its become routine to not simply just kill workers in other gangs but to do so in brutal macarbe ways and in large numbers (I would also guess that rape is a common part of that process).

I guess my position is that yes its reductive to see sex work are simply identical to Starbucks but its also reductive to ignore the reality that there are large other areas of work that also carry similar and indeed greater risks & trauma.  Indeed the term sex work is not so useful here as I think almost any of us would sooner work on a sex-line then be a ‘soldier’ in the Mexican drug wars – I know a good number of people who have worked on sex lines but I’m guessing as to the probable horrors of the drug war ‘soldier’.  Indeed part of the reason I may give the impression of ‘side stepping’ in some of the discussion above is that I’m wary of giving very definite subjective opinions on experiences where I’ve quite limited direct or even direct anecdotal experience.

Luigi I’m running out the door here but briefly I think your comments probably highlight what I mean by the complexity of human sexuality and the reasons why its an error to define as ‘normal’ or ‘healthy’ that which meets out approval.

I would agree with anonymous’
I would agree with anonymous’ sentiments on the alienation of labour in regards to sex work. in this sense, sex work IS merely work at which one utilizes ones body for the bodily pleasure of another (not to mention the emotional and mental comfort that many find in the intimacy that comes through a pay-for-sex transaction). This makes the argument of sex work in general quite difficult, as while it is a body that is being commodified (generally speaking, the female body), a service is also being provided. in my experiences as a sex worker, the physical is only half of the job, the rest is based in the comfort that comes with being intimate and touching another human being.
I find arguments around sex work tends to center around is it right or is it wrong, whereas the questions we should be asking are:
if we are going to perpetuate a system that enables sex work (that being an economic system based in monetary and capital trade) how are we going to protect those who choose or are forced into sex work (based on economic circumstances, NOT sex slavery, as the two are very different)
OR
if we are going to condemn sex work for whatever reason, how do we begin to implement a system of trade market that would not include physical commodification? and is this even possible?

Also, sexual assault is very different from CONSENSUAL sex work. I don’t really have much else to say about that. It’s pretty black and white in my books.

(Same anon as you were
(Same anon as you were replying to before.)

“sexual assault is very different from CONSENSUAL sex work”

I agree broadly, but I think we have to be clear about what consent means then. If consent is understood in neoliberal terms, i.e. as long as no one directly threatens you with violence it’s a free choice, then I think it’s hard to deny that under those terms, sex workers “consent” to some pretty horrific experiences.

I think you (andrew) are a
I think you (andrew) are a clueless fuck when it comes to prostitution. You can’t compare us to soldiers – people who would kill as part of the job. I offer sexual services for money. I make good money and I work when I feel like it. I usually participate in sex acts based on an hourly rate and often I am only participating in conversation for that rate. There are a lot of lonely people out there. I do not sell my body. I have it with me now. It’s mine and I will decide how to use it regardless of what anyone else thinks about it.

The “awfulness” of the work?? Stereotype away kid.

No job is always good but there is also joy in this job. You just can’t imagine anything other than what you choose to about it.

 Hmm you probably need to

 Hmm you probably need to read what I wrote rather than what you thought I wrote before calling me clueless – otherwise its an insult that turns into a mirror.  

I used the word awful twice, but both times not as you read is as a reference to sex work in particular but rather as a reference to work in general.  For instance "work in general covers a wide spectrum from the ‘its a drag but it pays the bills’ to the truly awful" Now that is a little polemical, there are people who claim to simply enjoy their work and I left them out but regardless its a quite deliberate comment as to the nature of work as not pleasent that is often ignored by those who want to argue that sex work is not pleasant as if that was a unique in itself.  Some of the rest of that reply also appears to be answering points that I didn’t make, for instance "I do not sell my body" is responding to a common stock phrase that I didn’t use (and for that matter wouldn’t – as far as I see it we all ‘sell our body’ when we enter the workplace).  So I’d suggest taking a deep breath, two steps back and then re-reading the piece with a more open mind that doesn’t assume you already know what I am saying.

There is more to discuss around the soldier comparison not least because its the whole soldier / prostitute point that the blog tends to swing around. And also because in ‘respectable’ society the soldier (at least as an abstract figure) is a hero to be looked up to which the prostitute is to be scorned.  So I’d sort of expect the moral outrage at the comparison to be coming from the other side (but then again the readership of Anarchist Writers is hardly typical).  

A huge amount could be said here but the relevence of the soldier in the aspects of the discussion I focus in on is not what the soldier does but what may be done to them because of the nature / risks of their work.  Generally anti sex – work feminism talks a lot of the awful things that can happen to women who work in the sex industry because of the nature of that work.  The point I was making is that this is far from unique, the risks soldiers are exposed to are somewhat different but are very comparable at both the physical and psychological level.  I should explain perhaps that I’m also not limiting the definition of soldier to those serving in the imperialist armies, I suggest in the text we should also include those in informal crime related armies but based on conversations I would also include those who have ended up as full time anti-imperialist fighters.

I posted the following
I posted the following response on Facebook:
“While you make many good points in this – and I tend to agree with you overall, for me, there is something missing and I’ve said this to you before. Where is your account of patriarchy? Instead of asking “what prostitution would look like in a communist society” would it not be more accurate to ask, what prostitution would look like in a non-patriarchal society? Of course, that’s not to suggest that these are mutually exclusive. There are other elements that I would take issue with as well (i.e. the dichotomisation between ‘older feminist versus sexpositive feminist’ which is kinda implied in a way) but that’s for a much bigger discussion. In the meantime, and as an aside, have you read Cynthia Enloe’s work? In her book Maneouvers she has a chapter called “the Prostitute, The Colonel and the Nationalist.” Your example reminded me of this piece but it’s also useful, I think, for showing how the work of a soldier is different to sex work as well.”

Just to tease that out a bit more – the issue, for me is not so much the nature of the work as it is why this type of work exists in the first place and this is where patriarchy comes in. The explanation for this type of work and the commodification of such work is rooted in patriarchy, in my opinion. While capitalism also shapes it, patriarchy is the structure that explains it. Furthermore, patriarchy is also what explains why we view sex work the way we do…as set apart from other types of work though I do agree very much with the point made above re: alienation. Alienation and ‘value’ are both important.

The work of the soldier, however, requires capitalism to explain it, patriarchy to shape it (though there are feminists who disagree with me on this). I think, in a way, your are focusing too much on the nature of the work at the expense of asking why this type of work exists in the first place. Hopefully that makes sense.
To be sure, capitalism and patriarchy are inter-dependent but to eliminate capitalism will not see the end of patriarchy and from my perspective, that is what this argument is missing.

Theresa

So starting with my original

So starting with my original reply on Facebook (and thanks for posting your point here, FB is  amemory hole for such discussions which is why I’ve started using FB discussions to generate blog posts).

I guess what I’m arguing towards is that class society & patriarchy appear to be co-existent / co-dependent etc. Related to this it isn’t that the work of a soldier & sex worker is identical or has identical impacts but more that both have broad similarities and more importantly are a sort of personification (careerificiation?) that demonstrates in turn the basis of class society & patriarchy in terms of organised hierichical control of the body. 

So now in terms of your further teasing out.  I think I broadly agree with that first paragraphy "the issue, for me is not so much the nature of the work as it is why this type of work exists in the first place and this is where patriarchy comes in" etc.  It seems to me conventional analysis of society as made up of (economic) classes only touches quite lightly on the specifics of oppressions outside of their relationship with the economy as an underlying driving creating/recreating factor, which is obviously not all there is to be said / needs to be said.

But the reason I got into that bit about class society / patriarchy / the soldier / the prostitute in the original piece was because I was trying to suggest why such work exists in order to move the discussion from the nature of that work.  It’s very hard to have a solid discussion of the nature of the work in part because of the reliance on anecdote, in part because all discussions that relate to the thought processes behind sexuallity become very difficult because they are so very subjective.  And of course sexuality is also the area where we tend to be least rational – something that also varies a lot within the population.

Finally "to eliminate capitalism will not see the end of patriarchy."  If I can substitute class society for capitalism (and so include the USSR etc without having to get into discussion about state capitalism etc) my own point of view for a very long time has been that you can’t eliminate class society and have racism / sexism etc in place.  That would simply see the recreation of class society (and actualy I suspect would make a succesful revoluton impossible in the first place).  I guess there is however a deeper issue of a free society still initally being made up of people whose thought processes were formed by a racist sexist etc class based society and that it would be foolish to expect every aspect of those processes to simply vanish for everyone but that leads into a whole other discussion about the relevent importance of what people ‘really’ think over what they do/say and how that is best dealt with.

Hello, ‘Autonomous Rad Fem’
Hello, ‘Autonomous Rad Fem’ here (you link to our blog).

I would like to make a few comments on your post. First of all, the comparison between being a soldier and being a prostitute; being a soldier is about the closest thing you can get to being a prostitute, in terms of risk to health, risk of death, rates of PTSD, but they are not the same. The job of being a soldier is not ‘you will be paid x amount of money in return for deliberately stepping on a land mine’, but prostitution IS ‘you will be paid x amount of money in return for submitting to sexual assault’ (the global hand-full of ’empowered sex workers’ not withstanding) – that’s the real difference. A well trained, well equipped soldier in a western army is the safest person to be in a war zone (the majority of casualties in those kind of wars are civilians, women and children – foot soldiers in ‘drug wars’ etc will be a different matter). A ‘sex worker’ can be fully trained in hostage negotiation skills, know how to give the ‘best’ (ie quickest) blow-job in the world, have a union card and condoms, but it is still unwanted sex, and that has real psychological and physiological consequences.

Another point I would like to make, on the Nordic Model of criminalising demand, is that it has to go hand in hand with comprehensive, long-term exit services for those trapped in the sex industry – don’t forget that the majority of street level workers will have started out as children, and have a raft of problems to do with drug addiction, homelessness, lack of education, mental health problems and the legacy of childhood sexual abuse. If prostitution is legalised/decriminalised as ‘just work’, why would any government bother with exit services? After all, you don’t need help to exit the post office (but soldiers do need help readjusting to civilian life). A lot of prostitutes get trapped in a cycle, where they need to prostitute to get drugs, and need the drugs to survive prostitution – trying to treat addiction (and this is dependency, not recreational use) while ignoring the affect of such ‘work’ would be doomed to failure.

I would also like to mention that, regardless on where you stand on the concept of laws (and all societies have rules of some sort, even if they don’t have a penal code), laws have a normative value. When Sweden banned all physical violence against children, their aim wasn’t to arrest and lock up loads of parents, their aim was to change the way people behaved, through education as well as a change in the law. Changing the law to criminalise demand and decriminalise the prostitute her/himself sends out the powerful message that using economic inequality to force someone into submitting to unwanted sex is not acceptable, that men do not have an automatic ‘right’ to be sexually serviced. No law works 100%, murders still take place despite murder being illegal. I don’t buy the ‘driving it underground’ argument, all that happens is that the pimps become business men, and the harm becomes invisibilised as ‘just work’. Also, it can’t go that far underground, the johns still have to be able to find it; plus, exactly the same ‘driving it underground’ argument applies to child prostitution – are you in favour of decriminalising child prostitution, as long as ‘juvenile sex workers’ can have a union set up for them by their pimps?

We have to look at male demand and male entitlement. Men see accessing the bodies of women and children and young men as some kind of ‘right’ and saying “sexuality is very varied and complex” comes across to me as weasel words – the nature of the global sex industry to me seems (unsurprisingly) homogenous, men want to access women’s bodies, and poverty and inequality and the low social status of women and girls means that they get it.

As I say on the blog, without economic coercion, who would be a prostitute, servicing men as they currently demand to be serviced? I can imagine, in some far-flung SF utopia, there being a role for some kind of ‘sexual healer’ or ‘sexual teacher’ (with such a person requiring a high level of skill and training, on a level with being a nurse or physiotherapist at least), but there is no direct route from here to there.

As a final note, I think it might be a good idea to have a deeper look into exactly what type of people it is who claim to be speaking on behalf of ‘sex workers’, this post would be a good place to start (she mentions Turn off the Blue Light specifically):

http://secretlifeofamanhattancallgirl.wordpress.com/2012/06/28/how-the-sex-industry-threatens-survivors-speaking-out-while-pimps-pose-as-sexworker-activists/

Thanks,
ARF

Um, ladies and gents, I think
Um, ladies and gents, I think you’re all forgetting that prostitution predates humans.
If you examine the behavior of apes you’ll notice that trading sex for services is not at all uncommon.
In fact in some cases it’s used as a social glue keeping the clan working with less tension and providing added power for the female members.
(The bonobo is probably the best example of this although the phenomenon is found among several of the species in question and might quite possibly have occurred among our pre-human ancestors)
So, calling prostitution unnatural like one of the other commenters did earlier is probably somewhat unwise.

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